thinksmart -"Can someone please explain what you mean about the "market" always winning?"
People use the term the "market" as it is a recognised fact that there are those who have control over prices and those who do not. If it were just a question of supply and demand then you would have a market in the true sense of the word. But all too often with these AIM stocks it is not a case of supply and demand but a case of supply and supply.
You would never sit down for a game of cards if one of the players had a card making machine under the table. When he looks at his losing hand he decides to press the button and out pops another three Aces on top of the four already played. With 33 billion shares in issue small private investors have been playing such a game with their MTV shares for the last six years.
If you're de-ramping theory were true then you would need to ask yourself why is it the same de-rampers never ramp when they have achieved their target buy price. You cannot have your cake and eat it. You cannot argue on the one hand they de-ramp to get the price lower but never ramp to get the price higher once they're in.
Grumpster - "The people that finance MTV are not interested in investing in the company, that is not what they do. They want as many shares, at the lowest price possible, and at as big a discount to the prevailing share price as they can get. they then dump the shares into any rise for ten or maybe twenty per cent profit, then get ready to repeat the performance."
The most intelligent and comprehensive post you have ever made on this thread. It sums up in one paragraph exactly what is going on here. Its just such pity its taken you so long and that you've omitted the second paragraph that should have read:-
"MTV are as much a part of the act as the investors. Without the cooperation of MTV none of the above could take place."
The share price ia low now and you won't here from them for a while, a few days untill it returns to a peak again, they will sell and they will deramp (probably in a few days). If I am wrong then I apologise, but if I am right they want the share price to rise now and you wont here much from them for a few days
Question: y would someone come onto any forum and deramp? Why waste there time comming here almost periodically when a share rises and go away when it reaches a low?
Answer: they make the share price drop (deramping) they can buy at the bottom, they then go away for a short period of time, wait for the share price to rise, after a few days and they sell at the top. They start deramping again to lower the price and repeat the cycle.
How di I know this? Cos this is what I would do if I was selfish, didnt care about losing ppl money.
You know who these ppl are as they return at the top share price deramp, always at the top of the share price. If you start timing ppl when they come and go, always be negative at a peak of the share price, these will most likely be those ppl.
My advice is if you here negativity without facts, then dnt sell untill its solid proof, and you buy here for long term. Short term investers are those who are makung money at the peaks and troughs, dont follow them.
"....If one of you can put a valid point to me as to why you are constantly posting negative comments on here then i would be interested in hearing why? .."
Everyone that posts on here is doing it out of their own self interest. De-rampers are not posting to save investors from themselves whatever they may try to pretend. The number of posts over Easter, when the markets are closed clearly indicates that they have an axe to grind, the same as everyone else.
The people that finance MTV are not interested in investing in the company, that is not what they do. They want as many shares, at the lowest price possible, and at as big a discount to the prevailing share price as they can get. they then dump the shares into any rise for ten or maybe twenty per cent profit, then get ready to repeat the performance.
Small investors have to deal with the spread, so even if they follow their example they will not make the same profit. For a small investor it is hardly worth the effort, any increase in value of the company in the early years is sucked out, leaving small investors to break even or better still become locked in as their holding reduces in value. Who needs institutions when you have loads of locked in small investors, that do not want to realise their loss.
Yorkville and Darwen are two examples of financing companies that IMO seem to operate this way.
JLF once announced "my work here is done" and stopped posting for a while. (Last year)
Why? .....AIM was just as corrupt, and our management had not changed the way they do things, so surely his mission (as he would have us believe it) was unfinished? Just as he didn't seem to be able to resist posting over the Easter holiday when the markets are closed for two extra days, when he could if he'd wanted to, sat out in the sun with a brew and just chilled.
So if there is a reason for posting, IMO it is most likely to do with the next short term event that makes money for the chosen ones....the next placing. Wreck sentiment, chase off anyone who persistently argues with them, and do their bit to drive the price in the right direction. .....to the fullest extent that that is possible on a bulletin board. (with AIM shares it seems to be quite successful)
Why do some of the de-rampers keep popping up with different IDs, and never seem to get banned however much disruption they cause? GedW does seem to have better links with LSE than the average poster
IMO it would be a mistake to think that these boards are neutral and without interest. There is always an agenda when money is involved. To me it seems unlikely that anyone would set a board up, just for the glory.
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