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Great post AJamesW ,our choice is clear and it s still within reach
Mytton,i would describe "the elder voter" as someone who is retired,who has generally more time on their hands and therefore a greater opportunity to cast a vote.Loads of studies have been made and prove the point the elderly are more likely to vote so in a low turnout your more likely to get their opinions.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11390724/The-charts-that-reveal-what-would-happen-if-more-young-people-voted.html
As to their voting intentions yet again further studies have proved they are more likely to lean towards leave.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-why-did-old-people-vote-leave-young-voters-remain-eu-referendum-a7103996.html
Oxo.. lots of married couples even though they are not compatible stay together for the sake of their children. In a divorce you need compromise and May's RED LINES would not allow the EU to compromise!
Sorry but I don't agree,mrs mayhem was put in power by remainer MPs, in a bit to undermine Brexit ,as you recall that mayhem voted to remain. so, she was the main problem because she did not really want Brexit, she tried to fudge a deal which was heavily in EU favour. so it would be in the main Brexit but,strings attached. she was half hearted just like Cameron. she was weak in talks with the EU .they believed as a result that Brexit would collapse or, be watered down. she would not listen to the majority vote.She was a disaster. parliament wanted to basically go against the ref wherever they could. people had enough by all the lies and deceit by all the main partys and all the self serving MPs within ,which has been going on for decades.. but I admit she was up against it right from the start.
May was never the main problem. She sought compromise when others refused to : remainders, hard Brexiters and the Europeans. Her biggest failure was the April 2017 election which meant that she needed the votes of the DUP. She initially asked for total flexibility but was forced to draw red lines. I believe we now have an impossible task. The numbers in parliament don’t work and with the 2 biggest parties losing big time at the polls neither wants an election so you can’t change the arithmetic. Sadly a change of leader has little chance of success - thus stalemate!
Sage..yes Leave won the referendum but it's how you leave is the issue. Its was May's red lines that has the UK where it is now and positions have hardened on both sides. The Brexit party are hardliners so they voted en masse to make a point...correct me if I'm wrong but that's only about 15% of the total electorate. Only 40% of the electorate voted so I would say most people don't actually care if the UK stays in our out.
I am always very suspicious when someone targets the youth vote. Why would one deliberately target those members of society with the least experience? Do they think that more experienced people would see straight through their spin? Policies should be fair to all such that young and all will vote for them.
"..the opinions of the elderly.." Ah, yes. Wheel out the ageist remarks. Who do you class as elderly? Anyone older than yourself? Are their views any less valid because of age? I know plenty of older pro-Labour, pro-EU people so it's not just an age thing.
Labour.... lol.
Smite, the rules of the game say that a referendum must be respected, full stop. If the referendum result is not implemented then democracy is broken. When we have a general election I accept the result, I don’t ask for a recount. With the first referendum we had all major parties supporting Remain and dire warnings from the Bank of England yet the people still voted to leave. There were lies from both sides, that is politics.
I can see why brexiteers don't want a second referendum if the choice is between "no deal" and "remain",a 35% combined percentage with UKIP will not win.
Based on a low turnout of 37% i would suggest these results are the opinions of the elderly,if Labour can motivate the young voter as they did in 2017 with more clarity then they should recover quickly.
Bronx you have 35% for hard Brexit. You have the votes for remain ( SNP, greens and libs) then you have votes for Labour and Conservative which are officially ( per their manifesto ) pro Brexit. My take is that there is a clear majority for a Brexit but no appetite for the middle ground. No compromise so those in the middle appeal to no one. We have a massive problem.
Not how I see it. Moderates who either want a new referendum or a soft Brexit in parliament got a boost by the European elections. The manifesto's of labour and the conservatives were for Brexit but not a WTO crash out Brexit. The UK is even more divided..
Bronx your analysis is flawed. Conservative and Labour manifestos are both pro Brexit. Therefore it is not stalemate. It is a massive vote for Brexit.
Amazing only 40% turnout considering what was at stake. Farage did well but Remain party's got a larger % marginally of the vote.. SNP in Scotland strengthened. Even Plaid Cymru in Wales massively up..