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Share Price: 57.94Bid: 57.93Ask: 57.94Change: 0.00 (0.00%)No Movement on Lloyds Grp.
Spread: 0.01Spread as %: 0.02%Open: 57.91High: 58.15Low: 57.66Yesterday’s Close: 57.94


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Onlyif
Posts: 512
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Great post AJamesW ,our choice is clear and it s still within reach
 
snige
Posts: 3,513
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Mytton,i would describe "the elder voter" as someone who is retired,who has generally more time on their hands and therefore a greater opportunity to cast a vote.Loads of studies have been made and prove the point the elderly are more likely to vote so in a low turnout your more likely to get their opinions.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11390724/The-charts-that-reveal-what-would-happen-if-more-young-people-voted.html
As to their voting intentions yet again further studies have proved they are more likely to lean towards leave.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-why-did-old-people-vote-leave-young-voters-remain-eu-referendum-a7103996.html
AJamesW
Posts: 2,466
Opinion:Hold
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
The EU will never compromise on its four freedoms to pillage our economy. The EU is heading for the EU Federal State with full control over the nation state, its tax raising powers, its armed services controlled by a federal appointed bureaucracy with a democratic advisory parliament it can ignore.
Ken Clarks statement where looks he upon the day when Westminster has no more powers than a parish council, and looks forward to it.
Our choice under the left is a vassal state EU existence on the periphery or freedom to go our own way an prosper.
Bronxville
Posts: 1,133
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Oxo.. lots of married couples even though they are not compatible stay together for the sake of their children.

In a divorce you need compromise and May's RED LINES would not allow the EU to compromise!
bumblebee1
Posts: 221
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Sorry but I don't agree,mrs mayhem was put in power by remainer MPs, in a bit to undermine Brexit ,as you recall that mayhem voted to remain. so, she was the main problem because she did not really want Brexit, she tried to fudge a deal which was heavily in EU favour. so it would be in the main Brexit but,strings attached. she was half hearted just like Cameron. she was weak in talks with the EU .they believed as a result that Brexit would collapse or, be watered down. she would not listen to the majority vote.She was a disaster. parliament wanted to basically go against the ref wherever they could. people had enough by all the lies and deceit by all the main partys and all the self serving MPs within ,which has been going on for decades.. but I admit she was up against it right from the start.
AJamesW
Posts: 2,466
Opinion:Hold
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Stalemate made worse by the insistence of EU at Francophiles pushing to punish GB for daring to leave. Bluntly a Brexit PM will let the left of UK politics dig their own graves. The working class (and that everybody who has to work for a living) have twigged that the Left despise them, suck up at elections, then tax the buggers where it hurts attitude of the social elite tiny minority.
Every General Election where the left has won, the tax rate on hourly pay rockets and the quality of services provided by that tax grab diminishes.
Parliament will attempt to return the country to the EU super state founding after 2020. A Brexit PM will then give the country a choice SNP/Labour/EU Federalists called Liberals and stay in. Or Out an a General Election manifesto, leading to a Brexit Party/ Tory Leavers/DUP national government, and stuff Corbin and Momentum.

DYOR, but Lloyds is heading back to 48p
Oxo42
Posts: 5,956
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
The UK elect Governments, go to war, take action of results of, so what is your point. Compulsory voting, agree or disagree with what suits the loser, political, football referee, referendum, General Election. We are a democracy, or were, before MPs disagreed with the electorate, n altered the votes.

You vote, you accept the result, what part do you not understand. Are you an MP. This is the problem, as always, horse to water, make it drink, conscientious objector. ?

Vote n accept the result. Propose marry, didn't expect her to be so much like her mother,n divorce. That why we had a referendum, you live with it or divorce. Refuse to divorce. Errrrmmm. ???? We argue on here, but in a friendly way, it works. Democracy.
Sageman
Posts: 552
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
May was never the main problem. She sought compromise when others refused to : remainders, hard Brexiters and the Europeans. Her biggest failure was the April 2017 election which meant that she needed the votes of the DUP. She initially asked for total flexibility but was forced to draw red lines. I believe we now have an impossible task. The numbers in parliament don’t work and with the 2 biggest parties losing big time at the polls neither wants an election so you can’t change the arithmetic. Sadly a change of leader has little chance of success - thus stalemate!
Bronxville
Posts: 1,133
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Sage..yes Leave won the referendum but it's how you leave is the issue.

Its was May's red lines that has the UK where it is now and positions have hardened on both sides.

The Brexit party are hardliners so they voted en masse to make a point...correct me if I'm wrong but that's only about 15% of the total electorate.

Only 40% of the electorate voted so I would say most people don't actually care if the UK stays in our out.
Sageman
Posts: 552
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
I am always very suspicious when someone targets the youth vote. Why would one deliberately target those members of society with the least experience? Do they think that more experienced people would see straight through their spin? Policies should be fair to all such that young and all will vote for them.
mytton
Posts: 964
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
"..the opinions of the elderly.."
Ah, yes. Wheel out the ageist remarks.
Who do you class as elderly? Anyone older than yourself? Are their views any less valid because of age?
I know plenty of older pro-Labour, pro-EU people so it's not just an age thing.
utrickytrees
Posts: 4,566
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Labour.... lol.
Sageman
Posts: 552
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Smite, the rules of the game say that a referendum must be respected, full stop. If the referendum result is not implemented then democracy is broken. When we have a general election I accept the result, I don’t ask for a recount. With the first referendum we had all major parties supporting Remain and dire warnings from the Bank of England yet the people still voted to leave. There were lies from both sides, that is politics.
snige
Posts: 3,513
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
I can see why brexiteers don't want a second referendum if the choice is between "no deal" and "remain",a 35% combined percentage with UKIP will not win.
Based on a low turnout of 37% i would suggest these results are the opinions of the elderly,if Labour can motivate the young voter as they did in 2017 with more clarity then they should recover quickly.
Sageman
Posts: 552
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Bronx you have 35% for hard Brexit. You have the votes for remain ( SNP, greens and libs) then you have votes for Labour and Conservative which are officially ( per their manifesto ) pro Brexit. My take is that there is a clear majority for a Brexit but no appetite for the middle ground. No compromise so those in the middle appeal to no one. We have a massive problem.
Bronxville
Posts: 1,133
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Not how I see it.
Moderates who either want a new referendum or a soft Brexit in parliament got a boost by the European elections.
The manifesto's of labour and the conservatives were for Brexit but not a WTO crash out Brexit.
The UK is even more divided..
Sageman
Posts: 552
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
RE: Stalemate!
27 May '19
Bronx your analysis is flawed. Conservative and Labour manifestos are both pro Brexit. Therefore it is not stalemate. It is a massive vote for Brexit.
Bronxville
Posts: 1,133
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:58.52
Stalemate!
27 May '19
Amazing only 40% turnout considering what was at stake.
Farage did well but Remain party's got a larger % marginally of the vote..
SNP in Scotland strengthened.
Even Plaid Cymru in Wales massively up..




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