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‘Others might say that a NATO-backed minority mob ousted a democratically elected leader :)’
What a load of rubbish pal. The Ukrainian people were brave enough to stand up and get rid of Russian backed regime. The same as they are doing now. I seem to remember 250,000 people demonstrating in Moscow in 2012 against Putins regime. I suppose they were egged on by NATO as well were they? I find it hard to believe the Russian people have changed their minds since then. The same as in Belarus. If they had genuine free elections the dictators would be gone. Which they will be one day. Then all the lies and propaganda will be exposed and useful idiots in the west will be seen for what they are.
The people of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia don’t want to be governed by Putin and his cronies. Fact. That’s why they are demonstrating. Not because of some big NATO or western conspiracy theory.
Fogthemogg
here you go bud....would you want to be,in a kremlin backed government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FnRcMB4sDI
Fogthemogg
arrrrr,your talking about history,ime not talking about history
ime talking about the present.
nato/europe and the uk,are arming ukraines,since the russian invasion,to give ukraine a fighting chance against a bully regime
no if you utube "the kyiv orange protests and kremlin backed sniper"...you'll undestand,why ukraine,doesnt want to be a sattelite slave nation,of the kremlins greed for power and aggressive manipulation.
and yeah,if ukraines hadnt have been refused NATO admission,russia would have never dared to invade them.
the same as latvia/estonia/lithuania/poland/romonia etc....theyre now in NATO AND SAFE
Once this border dispute comes to its natural and blatantly obvious conclusion ; EVR need to simply absorb it.
Troajan, are you seriously suggesting that NATO members (particularly US and UK) have never financed, organised or instigated regime changes and coups...Wow.
The dozens of examples since WW2 are also "well documented".
remember selling these at around 200 and was ****ed i didnt get the high, in hindsight thank god, this will end up at zero once russia completes its integration of ukraine. having said that everything in the ftse 350 pretty pointless these days, nobody buys u.k. shares anymore as it’s a political basket case thanks to the tory brexit scum.
I see Victoria Nuland is retiring. Given she headed up the Ukraine desk at the state department does this mean we are seeing a comprehensive programme wind down in Washington when it comes to Ukraine?
The kremlin aggresive backing of coups and kicking out democratic type governments.
is well documented,worldwide
they even use chemical/radioctive poisonings.
NATO,isnt famous,for any of the above,its a defensive organisation
"back around 2014.....the ukranian people kicked out the russian backed puppet leaders and theyre russian backed security forces."
That's the official line from our governments and intelligence agencies. Others might say that a NATO-backed minority mob ousted a democratically elected leader :)
The long-term consequences of that putsch are a demonstrably weaker UK, EU, Russia and a destroyed Ukraine. Who was the only one that benefitted? Uncle Sam...
What a moving RNS Ferrexpo seem to be a company that so values it's employees.
Very true Evanecent. Putin is already in an unwinnable war but unlikely to give up as that will be the end of him.
I don't like the look of this. Giving the Russian rabble ideas:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/ukrainian-drone-strikes-fuel-warehouse-in-russias-kursk-region-governor-says
The Ukranians are already living the 'alternative to a ceasfire '....... the russian scum already temporarily occupying regions in the east......
History tells us that invaders will eventually be sent packing, even if conventional warfare ended the resistance in Ukrainian territory would make those regions ungovernable from moscow....
NATO troops could be used to free up Ukrainian troops around Kiev, along the boarder with Belarus or to provide training. Putin attacks them then he’s attacking NATO. F*#k Putins so called red lines. He’s a murdering weasel, 11th largest economy in the world with a drunken rabble of an army. Everyone, including Russia, will be better off when he’s gone.
Typo: north sea
The alternative to a ceasefire is too horrific to contemplate. If Macron, NATO and the Telegraph gets their way then I fear for the worst. It won't be my share portfolio I need to worry about, it will be the number of Russian nuclear submarines in the red sea that will worry me. We are all told how unhinged are leaders think Putin to be, but still think it a good idea to cross his red lines. Ask yourself this, if NATO troops do engage into the war and Putin reacts as stated and uses nukes, where do you think he will use them first. He'll need to use several, all at once, but at the same country, thereby hoping that the response is limited by acts of self preservation on behalf of those countries not hit. We must of course be thankful for the Germans for leaking how very much involved Britain has been to date.
Rbrand
back around 2014.....the ukranian people kicked out the russian backed puppet leaders and theyre russian backed security forces.
they didnt want to be enslaved,like belarus.
FREEDOM WON
You don't half talk a load of balls rbrand........your posting history and poor grasp of english betray you .....clown!
Done deal. Peace at last.
I consider the end has already been reached; it only remains for US/UK to change their posture. Maybe Boris will be sent to tell Z to make piece lol. I certainly hope they can as Boris`s previous visit to tell Z to make war not peace must have caused the deaths or maiming of over a million people, the poor bastards who did not manage to leave.
I went to Kiev in 2012, just 2 years before the US organised coup which caused all this. Kiev and weather were nice but hardly anyone spoke english so it was near impossible to go anywhere. Went to big train station , all in their different alphabet etc. Anyway point is I met a lady from Rivne which is east near Lviv. Although in no danger there to this day , she like a few million got out west first week, which is what they wanted. She somehow has got herself to Tenerife and is having a great time but posts endless cheering on UKR/ anti Russ stuff on Facebook and pics of her with the many other ladies who got there too.I doubt any of them will be going back to help with the rebuilding, once Blackrock have picked off the best assets and wonderful farmland.
I think there will well be a ceasefire. This is not the same as peace, but at least it will drastically reduce the casualty rate which neither side can afford, especially Ukraine, given it's smaller population. How long the ceasefire last will depend on many factors, I hope everyone's sake it last indefinitely so they can live their lives and get back to rebuilding. The alternative of continuing to fight till the end would destroy forever a people and it's culture.
Peace is near according to Silverspoon.
…’cos any hint of a deal and this won’t just pop..it’ll boom! Multi bagger in the waiting imo! Atb Rich
Https://www.reuters.com/world/turkey-hopes-ukraine-ceasefire-talks-can-start-soon-2024-03-03/
@alex1978uk "But he will want Odesa"
Yer, and he probably wants Kyiv as well, but he knows full well that's an unrealistic prospect for the near and medium future. What he primarily needs is a border he can easily defend, like the Dnieper, but that would require a major push which would weaken his military further, so I suspect 2024 will be a period of rearming.