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Thanks Sanchez
Interestingly Tesla have a service where you can call them and they configure your car to get extra miles if you need it. The WLTP testing, apart from causing chaos to the motor industry, should lead to more truthful assessments of range.
No worries Alfa, the one my family had was pretty recent but maybe not the newest iteration as you say. Interestingly it was a surprisingly fun drive but the range anxiety issue was the nightmare most worry an it with EV. It dropped so much quicker than you would have expected when you were driving to the point where you would need to turn off every comfort just to hope it would get you where you needed to go. That's not a good consumer experience but as you say maybe they have improved a little on that.
I'll take that. You got the message. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.
Alfa, email me his/her details please.
Sanchez - I think this is the new generation of batteries for the Leaf that is the first to claim >200 miles
Alfa, I am happy to do that. If I do it from my work email they may pay a bit more attention as I am in the game.
Come on GKB47 - completely unacceptable reference. The kind of thing that lunatic in the White House would say. Please raise your game.
Contesting should be contrasting, sorry - auto-correct.
Just a quick note on the EV discussion - this is a great article contesting the troubles facing slow-moving, horizontally-integrated German car companies with change being forced upon them Vs agile verticallly-integrated firms like Tesla. It has a notable parallel to BMN and it's genuine potential to disrupt a huge, staid sector with its lofty ambition, and innovative vertically integrated model.
Ps - my family had a Nissan Leaf, there is no way they can do the advertised 200 miles. It's far, far less in the real world.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/06/15/illusions/
GKB, can you possibly refrain from using derogatory racist slurs when referring to entire races of people. It's not the 1970s anymore.. amazed everyone is just cool with that. Ugh gross.
Yachty - the CTO wasn't actually at the event - the marketing manager was who I spoke to. I have emailed their CTO this morning.
Greetings Alfa
I have little doubt you are indeed correct, and I have asked them directly which technology they intend to employ.
There seems to be little knowledge of VRFBs as a real and in many cases more suitable alternative.
I shall await their response but in the meantime maybe anyone local to Warrington might care to direct a similar question to their council.
If similar schemes are embraced by other authorities, they have a duty to employ the most appropriate infrastructure.
if the chief tech officer of the company doesn’t understand VRFBs then it doesn’t fill me with confidence that the correct solution will indeed be offered in all circumstances.
Yachty, I believe that these are Lithium-ion batteries, simply because that's all they seemed to know about when I spoke to them at the Fully charged event.
From the pictures that they had available at that event they appeared to be contemplating around 10MWh Battery storage for a n eV charging 'forecourt' with 24x 350kW chargers - thus potentially enough energy to deal with all chargers going flat out for just over an hour. They also had solar panels spread all over their forecourt but this is apparently only sufficient to power the building itself thus the batteries are actually the thing that powers the car chargers and is supplied by/provides energy storage services to the grid.
Gridserve have signed Warrington Council on a solar PV and storage deal
No mention of battery type so far.
https://theenergyst.com/warrington-council-signs-massive-solar-plus-battery-storage-deal/
Unfortunately going for ither vanadium or lithium I'm sure they'll opt for lithium in Britain they tend to not go with the best options. All those wind farms and not a battery in sight they should be investing in Flow batteries to harness all that power.
Thanks for all the info re swappable batteries, I thought it must be too complex to be in use already!
Re: charging stations with PV/wind and CRFBs, Fastned just opened a 350kW charge station with a solar roof, but no battery!
https://airqualitynews.com/2019/04/16/ev-fast-charging-station-opens-in-sunderland/
numpty5 - I have the contact details for the chief technical officer of gridserve if you want to suggest VRFBs to them. I spoke to their marketing manager at the Fully charged event and they plan to put significant stationary batteries on each of their sites. I pointed out the safety issues but he glazed over because he didn't know what I was talking about and he didn't want to hear it.
https://www.gridserve.com/post/breaking-news-1
BP have just bought Chargemaster for £130 milion. Biggest EV charger Company in the UK. I had a training course this morning with Leaseplan - one of the biggest vehicle leasing Companies in Europe. (I'm the sales Manager for the 2nd biggest LCV broker in the UK) EV's are the future and they are coming quicker than most people think. They don't see the big picture yet though. Tesla/ lithium is as far as they can see. I tried to point out to the bloke running the training that motorways will have EV/wind generation and VRFB storage at services and he was clueless.on the day the penny drops we will be ordering planes and yachts.
dubmaskullanga- Tesla have been looking into this for years, in fact mode S and X we’re all designed with rapidly swappable batteries so they could pull off just this. They even had a pilot station in Coalinga, CA which reportedly could swap a batteries pack in seven minuets, though it has since closed.... Things have changed over the years as Tesla has moved away from swappable batteries and into supercharger tech, there is a whole list of reasons for this move (see link 1). However there are rumours that they are still pursuing the idea quietly in the background. Here’s a couple of links for you if your interested. Coalinga batterie swap station- https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/tesla-shuts-down-battery-swap-program-for-superchargers/amp/?client=safari Future batterie swap tech- https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/electrek.co/2017/09/15/tesla-new-battery-swap-technology-to-deploy-trailer/amp/ Enjoy the weekend, AnotherJerry
probably a stupid suggestion but is there anyway you could pull into a petrol station although it would be called an electrolyte station and simply discharge used electrolyte and pump in new and off you go just like you refuel your car presently???
dumaskullanga - at the fully charged show I asked the people on the phoenix contacts stand about swappable batteries - they make the electrical connectors for lots of the chargers and would no doubt have been in favour of the idea. They told me that they thought the idea was a non-starter for joe public due to safety concerns.
They also showed me the built in liquid cooling system that they need to have inside the cable of their 500kW charging station (1000 Volts, 500 Amps) - imagine just one milliohm contact resistance in the connector for that - that will drop 0.5Volts and there will be 250W generated right at that point (something like 1/5th of an electric kettle) - that's an awful lot of very localised heating.
There is a similar liquid cooling system that needs to continue to run inside the lithium-ion batteries and the cables feeding them inside the vehicle whilst you are rapid charging them. When the cars are running there is actually a degree of air cooling that you can call upon, but not whilst it is sitting still, and importantly for our angle also not in a stationary battery application.
Mikinaman - I too am a far of classic cars, but having had them I know how the reality differs from the fantasy, especially when it comes to spare parts and reliability.
Obviously there are going to be some classic car purists will throw a wobbly as soon as you use a screw made after 1960 and self-classify their addiction as a form of industrial archaeology I am more of pragmatist and like to see the vehicles actually being used, or even racing. No doubt the current electric conversions are expensive but as gambit will point out so are conventional ICE restorations, and anything to do with classic cars. I expect that electric conversions will get cheaper in time, whilst conventional restorations will get more expensive as those who know what they are doing die out.
Thinking along the leasing model.
Would it not be an idea to have 'swappable' batteries for EV's.
You roll up to the charging station, swap out your battery put in the new and drive off.
The batteries are recharged on site.
I know that would mean 2x (min) for batteries globally, but it would get rid of the time factor.
Alfa, being a fan of anything with an engine (steam,petrol, etc), especially classic cars, your links are extremely appealing.
There are all sorts of conversions available now, just dump the ICE and drop in an electric motor - instant EV. BUT have you seen the costs to convert ???
I've worked on 'stuff' for a company that will convert a BMC Mini, it'll set you back a minimum of £79K !!!
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